BURNING BEFORE HIS THRONE MEANS STANDING IN THE ALL-CONSUMING FIRE" - Bob Sorge

There is an outstanding book by Bob Sorge - 'The Fire of Delayed Answers' - which simultaneously acts as an exegetical treatment of the refining nature of Suffering in the Book of Job and as an autobiographical expression of his own struggle with Suffering:

This is a comment on the book:

"This book helps clarify why the answers to our prayers may be delayed and gives practical advice for walking in faith and hope until God's release comes. If we are to mature into greater dimensions of kingdom fruitfulness, then we must commit ourselves to understanding how God uses delay to refine His chosen ones.

Intensely passionate and practical, this book is written from the crucible of the author's own personal crisis of delayed answers. This is not a book of platitudes but of powerful insights that have come through the fire. May your heart be enlarged and your faith expanded as you consider the great blessings extended to those who wait in God alone."

Judy

Do you use the GIft of Tongues? They will be very useful in the transition.

Mark

Judy

I am the REAL thing. I am human and I have struggles and issues BUT process is simply change and transition.

Psalm 22. GOOD. Very Good.

Keep Changing.

Mark

From that, shared today how most people look at individual sins without seeing the sin nature and that I saw Christ's agony to be founded purely on being separated from the Father.

Judy,

Who would you say experienced the separation in the Trinity the most at the Crucifixion? If the HOLY Spirt did not leave Jesus at the Cross BUT bore separation with him - then who would you say experienced abandonment the most?

Mark

Judy

The reason we are discussing this is that in Deep Prophetics, we have to rethink our relationship to the Trinity in terms of partaking and participation in the Communion of Love, Suffering and Glory and also rethink how the Trinity interact with each other - it will start to alter how you engage Prophetics and the Prophetic.

The Incarnation determines the Trinity.

Keep being stretched and stretching out!

Mark

Judy

How would you say the HOLY Spirit remained in connection with the Father if He bore ALL the LORD Jesus Christ bore, including all the sins of the world and given that the process of sin bearing caused the rupture and separation in the Trinity?

Was not the HOLY Spirit given at Jesus' Baptism in the Jordan?

Mark

Judy

We have to distinguish between the Eternal coinherent presence of the HOLY Spirit in Jesus in His Divinity and the necessity of the Incaranted Jesus as the New Adam of modelling the Spirit - Filled Life in a Prophetic Way to and for us, through publicly receiving the HOLY Spirit at His Baptism in the Jordan, which led to the manifestation of all three members of the Trinity.

The Incarnation always and always will determine the Trinity and their choice of expression, intention and action.

Mark

Your question resurrected one for me. How can the Holy Spirit dwell in us WHILE we remain in imperfect, human bodies?

Judy

Because the place in us where the HOLY Spirit dwells is our Interior Calvary - that place in us where we cannot sin. Do you understand this?

The Incarnation involved an imperfect, human body - BUT Jesus still tabernacled or dwelled in it to fulfill the Prophetic and Soteriologcial intentionality of the Trinity and Human Eschatology.

I will tell you a mystery - at the Cross Jesus entered the Heavenly temple and your Heart simultaneously through His own Blood and your Interior Calvary is a Blood Covenant sealed with the indwelling presence of the HoLY Spirt and all three members of the Trinity.

I will tell you one more mystery - the Father actually COULD look upon the SON and NOT turn away when He became SIN because He saw Him through the BLOOD - through the Veil and the Vale - SIN is an expression of the Veil and the Vale we must walk....I know, mystical - so, comes with the Territory.

Mark

Judy

The loss of a child is ALWAYS a fierce experience as Horatius Bonar will confirm - he and his wife lost five children in early infancy and he wrote a book called "Night of Weeping" - he was famous hymn writer and Scottish Presbyterian.

Psalm 30:5b Weeping may last for the night, but there is a song of joy in the morning.

As Christians being taken into the Communion of LOVE of the Trinity we are becoming the Resurrection and the LIFE BUT we will all face "our Night of Weeping" and it is how we equip ourselves through this that marks out true Christian Character.

If the HOLY Spirit is the COMFORTER then we need to grab hold of that through this Vale of Tears - we must walk the Vale BUT how we walk the Vale will determine how we read and understand Psalm 23.

Mark

Judy

I wrote this:

On Descending into the Valley of Vision....

When we descend into the maelstrom of all our collective human imagination, desires and longings and follow the logic of the Landscape in which we find ourselves - the ZONE of the human heart - in trying to shout LOVE into the Heart of the World, we must have a vision of an intimate Spiritual LOVE language for being Spiritual Fathers and Mothers in the Faith, in a way which disengages all forms of symbolic carnality, and eroticised and libidinal confusion, leading to radical transformative Encounter with the LORD Jesus Christ and which enables those we release to be our Spiritual sons and daughters.

It is like this:

You are being taken into the ZONE!

Like Tarkovsky's other science fiction film, Stalker (adapted from Boris and Arkady Strugatsky's novel Roadside Picnic), Solaris deals with self-confrontation. In Solaris, a tenuous communication is established with the planet and, having faced up to his demons, the hero attains a degree of peace with himself. 'Stalker' is ....... In the near future a strange, dangerous 'zone' of indeterminate origin has appeared on earth, within which anything can happen. At its centre is the 'room' [the human Heart]. To enter the 'room' is to be granted one's deepest unconscious wish. Although the 'zone' is off limits to civilians, illegal guides known as 'stalkers' make their living by guiding customers through the 'zone' to the 'room'. Stalker follows one of these 'stalkers', played by director Alexander Kaidanovsky, as he leads 'Writer' (Solonitsin) and 'Scientist' (Grinko) through the eerie, post-apocalyptic landscape of the 'zone'. [the Release of Anointing, Calling, Ministry, Destiny and Purpose]

Twenty years ago, a meteorite fell to Earth, and decimated a provincial Russian town. Villagers traveled through this curious area, now known as The Zone, and disappeared. Stories purport that there is an inner chamber within The Zone called The Room that grants one's deepest wish. Fearing the consequences from such an inscrutable resource, the army immediately secured the area with barbed wire and armed patrol. But the desperate and the suffering continue to make the treacherous journey, led by a disciplined, experienced stalker who can stealthily navigate through the constantly changing traps and pitfalls of The Zone. A successful Writer (Anatoli Solonitsyn), perhaps searching for inspiration or adventure, and a Scientist (Nikolai Grinko) searching for Truth, enlist the Stalker (Aleksandr Kaidanovsky) to guide them through The Zone. The Stalker has been trained by a renowned stalker named Porcupine, who, after an excursion with his brother into The Zone, returned alone and infinitely wealthy, only to commit suicide a week later. Soon, it is evident that reaching The Zone is not their greatest impediment, but the uncertainty over their deepest wish. As the men approach the threshold to The Room, their fear and trepidation for the materialization of their answered prayers leads to profound revelation and self-discovery.

Stalker is a visually serene, highly metaphoric, and deeply haunting treatise on the essence of the soul [the human heart, the human spirit and our capacity for communicative encounter]. Episodically, Andrei Tarkovsky uses chromatic shifts to delineate between the outside world and The Zone. Thematically, as in Solaris, the transition serves as an oneiric device to separate physical reality from the subconscious. The created barriers and imposed laws of the outside world parallel the Stalker's incoherent tracking methods for reaching The Room. Note that despite the Stalker's warning not to use the same path twice, the Scientist returns to retrieve his knapsack unharmed, casting doubt on the Stalker's navigational rules. Symbolically, it is as if the subconscious is in denial of its sincerest wish, creating its own boundaries and impediments to prevent its realization. After a circuitous route, the men arrive at the antechamber to The Room, hesitant to proceed, unable to define their innermost wish: their spiritual longing. The floor is strewn with coins, hypodermic needles, weapons, and religious icons: a reflection of the mind's search for escape from its misery. In the end, The Zone's real or imagined powers proves to be inconsequential to the weary, ambivalent seekers. It was all in the journey.

I have been in the Zone and come back....I was radically altered.....YOU will be changed if your enter the Zone....

The Zone is Prophetics and Spiritual Cognition BUT what you know and encounter in the Zone becomes real......it is NOT just conjecture or imagination...

This science fiction milestone from director Andrei Tarkovsky (Solaris) takes you into the Zone, a mysterious, guarded realm containing a mystical Room in which occupants' secret dreams come true. Stalker, a man able to lead others to this holy grail, escorts a writer and a scientist through this foreboding territory and confronts several unexpected challenges along the way. Based on the novel "Roadside Picnic" by Russian sci-fi writers Arkady and Boris Strugatsky.

What we all have to confront is Western scientific skepticism, unbelief and doubt and Western Romantic Nihilism and Tragic heroic failure...... You must decide what you will confront in entering the Zone.

Job 22:28 28 You will also declare a thing, And it will be established for you; So light will shine on your ways.

The Zone is much more than just an oneiric device.......

I have been in the Zone and come back - it alters you - we can discuss this in perceptual-cognitive terms - but it really is Spiritual Encounter, a Spirituality of Encounter - when you hit the line in your Life where you meet the Cross - decision time - the point of Decision - you have to decide whether you are ready and prepared to cross over into His Real Presence and all that it will mean, all things that will happen to you and the things that will be worked in you - what it will do to you - to your core identity. You will be changed.

If YOU enter the Zone, what will you bring back with YOU?.....the Zone is your Heartlife.....Your Anointing, Calling, Ministry, Destiny and Purpose is in the Zone....

I am going to do something different and use a Prophetic Declaration as Prayer and this is going to IGNITE your Ministry and release your Ministry, Destiny and Purpose - because I can:

And I see Heaven open over you and healing mercy flows from your feet and gathers and pools in your footsteps. That man , that woman - YOU - with singing footprints - whose footprints are filling up with the BLOOD and the Water of Calvary's side - and the songlines are living Prophecy testifying into the rupture in the heart of the world through the Fall and knitting it together again - do you not see them descending into the valley, that Valley of Vision and brilliant Light. A man and a woman who have walked into that Camp of Angels.

Originally Posted by SeraphimOCA
It is in the valley the clear stream that rushes down the mountainside spreads into a river. Where it ran shallow and loud now it runs silent and deep. Where it flushed and scoured now it soaks and nourishes. Where once it bore only itself, in the valley all the offscouring of the world it takes as its own and bears it to the sea...ever moving towards the lowest place of all where billows like mountains roll in silence over deeps beyond human ken

Were you not sent here like that river of all our Baptisms to bear away all the offscourings of the world and carry them all to Calvary - it takes greatness of Heart to bear away all the offscourings and the all sufferings. To step into gap of all our intercessions and be united with the LORD Jesus Christ in the fellowship of His sufferings and the POWER of His Resurrection. Have not all the breakers and billows rolled over you?

Psalm42:7 Deep unto deep is calling At the noise of Thy water-spouts, All Thy breakers and Thy billows passed over me.

Will no-one testify!? Do you not see them descending into that Valley of Vision, the Prophetic Ministry? The Medievals saw the earth as being at the bottom, the periphery, those infernal dregs and offscourings of the universe, and so being at the center of the universe, the Heart of the World, put them, in their hearts and minds, at the least important place rather than the most important place in the universe. That descent with HIM to the lowest place through the INCARNATION. A MAN, A WOMAN WHO HAVE BECOME THE HYSSOP DIPPED IN THE BLOOD OF CALVARY AND MINDED NOT THE HIGH THINGS.

1 Corinthians 4: 13b We have been made as the dregs of the world, the offscouring of all things - if we sit alone in the silence and if it has all been laid on us, then that is how we have been called to be identified with the LORD Jesus Christ in healing the World.

Lamentations 3:28 Let them sit alone in silence, for the LORD has laid it ALL on them [it has all been laid on HIM on the Cross at Calvary] - radical intimacy with Jesus is RADICAL IDENTIFICATION and that is Radical Grace.

The Valley of Vision

A Puritan Prayer

Lord, high and holy, meek and lowly, Thou hast brought me to the valley of vision, where I live in the depths but see Thee in the heights; hemmed in by mountains of sin I behold Thy glory. Let me learn by paradox that the way down is the way up, that to be low is to be high, that the broken heart is the healed heart, that the contrite spirit is the rejoicing spirit, that the repenting soul is the victorious soul, that to have nothing is to possess all, that to bear the cross is to wear the crown, that to give is to receive, that the valley is the place of vision. Lord, in the daytime stars can be seen from deepest wells, and the deeper the wells the brighter Thy stars shine; let me find Thy light in my darkness, Thy life in my death, Thy joy in my sorrow, Thy grace in my sin, Thy riches in my poverty, Thy glory in my valley.

Mark

Judy

Contemplation and Participation in the Inner Life of the Trinity in Prophetics is from a very different perspective which takes us into the real Prophetic Substance and sustaining Incarnational Presence of the Lord Jesus Christ in Creation, the Origins of Science and the Purpose of the Visible and Invisible Universe - the Cosmos, the Earthly Places and the Heavenlies, the Unseen Realm.

You can see, feel and participate in the interconnectedness of all Living things in and throughout the whole of Creation - not even a Sparrow falls without the Lord knowing about it - even a sparrow falling necessitated the Cross and the Breaking of the Morning to hear the first Blackbird speak, in dealing with the Fall and every bush is aflame and on fire with the Glory of God - You become aware of the deep language of the Trinity running through the programming, the language, the DNA of everything in everything - whenever Jesus speaks - the Words are seeds, they carry Life and resonate into Eternity - they are alive because He is in his Words - sustaining them - whenever the Spirit breathes that breath is language, not merely a description of a thing - but a Living Command, Behold, Become, Be, LIVE and it resonates into Eternity - whenever the Father opens his Heart - you can see the entire Universe flowing through Calvary on fire with His Glory and that is a Language which is the interconnectedness of Creation sustained by the Heartbeat of the Life of the World and if you want this YOU will have a communicative-intuitive immersion in this unfolding Hymn to the Morning - to the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ, to be a Light, to be a Witness, to Glorify God, the Lord always redeems our intentionality when we turn to Him and finds extraordinary applications for our purposes - creature awe - it is a way of deep relating - deep worship, deep Communion with and in the Communion of Love.

When You understand the Spirituality embedded in opening your Heart to Encounter, it becomes a form of Prayer and Intercession, a form of Prophetic Intentionality, You are preaching to every Creature from the Heart of the Word and the World, which proceeded from the Word spoken and made manifest, You are preaching Christ Crucified to the Cosmos and the Words resonate...into Eternity - it is a form of Binding and Loosing so that His Will is done on Earth [throughout the Cosmos] as it is in Heaven - as it has already been done in Heaven - Heaven has already invaded Earth, even before the creation of the World - when the Lamb was slain for us and our redemption - the redemption of all things seen and unseen - His Blood has covered both the Earthly and the Heavenly Places - the Power of His Blood is the sustaining substance in His Words - because His Blood testifies - and YOu will come into the Real Presence of this, where even Seraphim cover their faces - He Practises His Presence in this very different way - daily, I mean daily, every day - to the Glory of God which is our chief end and an expression of the radical Joy of Dependency and increasing Wonder - that even every bush should be on fire with and to the Glory of God.

This is the Divine Shift in the Heart of every man and woman who takes up their Cross and follows Jesus.

This is what it means to be taken into the Heart of Prophecy.

There is a Greek word: 'Hypodeigma' which means to imitate or emulate - BUT - what if emulation was something more radical, where you became interconnected with and aware of all LIVING things - this is the Heart of Prophecy and if I stretch forth my hand and speak, YOU will experience this and it will change you permanently, you will be altered, reformatted and rearranged - that is the POWER of Prophetics - YOU will be taken into THE HEART OF PROPHECY.

THE HEART OF PROPHECY - the Ancient and Forever, the Burning witness at the centre of Time and the Timelessness of the Eternal NOW, the gaze that sees the turning of the Universe and every wheel within every wheel, the storm in the Heart of the Sun and summing up of all language in "let there be WORDS" - to walk into the DAWN and have LIGHT start to communicate with YOU at a sub-atomic level and to take up the CROSS and all the mercies within mercies, within mercies and BURNING, always Burning.

Change.

Mark

Judy

It is impossible to understand Ephesians 5:22-26 unless you understand Trinitarian Kenosis and in understanding the self-emptying nature of the Trinity, proceed to understand that if the LORD Jesus Christ is the Corner -Stone of the Church then ALL the weight bears down on Him.

The whole Counsel of GOD is NOT just summed up in Submission but in the relational dynamic between Submission and Kenosis.

Ephesians 2:19-22

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In Him [and on Him] the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in Him [and on Him] you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

1 Peter 2:6

Weymouth New Testament
For it is contained in Scripture, "See, I am placing on Mount Zion a Cornerstone, chosen, and held in honour, and he whose faith rests on Him shall never have reason to feel ashamed."

As for those who wrongly divide up Scripture with deliberate intention and without any Prophetic warrant or Apostolic authority - the Bible describes them as "being without understanding" and therefore "worthless":

Psalm 49:20a Man in his pomp, yet without understanding

Romans 1:31a Without understanding

Jeremiah 2:4bThey worshiped worthless idols, only to become worthless themselves

Zecharaiah 11:17a Woe to the worthless shepherd

Nahum 1:15b never again shall the worthless pass through you

Matthew 25:11b that worthless servant

Mark

Judy

People burn at my touch. How they burn is a choice.

I am not interested in false teaching - it simply has no real substance.

Mark

Judy

In the Prophetic we cannot choose what we see - we see what He sees and if we are to be authentic and real in the Prophetic we have to be able to descend to the lowest point with Him. Everyone wants one thing - Transformation. BUT, they also want to negotiate...they want to negotiate....and if you could see, really see...would you see this - He does NOT negotiate. The terms are very simple and immediate. Follow Him and you will suffer and there will be violations BUT there will also be miraculous Provision, STRENGTH and the Sufficiency of Grace. Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors and every day we increase our indebtedness....human desire, wilfulness and sinfulness....so how will you forgive your debtors?

Mark

He can only lead us if we follow him UNCONDITIONALLY....and we ALL want to negotiate the terms....the Sufficiency of grace REALLY IS The Sufficiency of Grace.

Mark

Judy

I will teach YOU Interior Vigilance- to move forward in the Prophetic we all have to learn how to watch with the HOLY Spirit and the Trinity from our Interior Life in the Heart of the World - for our lives are hidden in Christ and hidden with Christ.

Colossians 3:2,3

2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.

There are going to be some more changes. They come with the Territory.

Mark

That is...if you have not already given the adversary a foothold...strongholds begin with footholds.

Ephesians 4:27 do not give the devil a foothold

Why would I talk about Interior Vigilance?

Judy

I will discuss Tongues, Strategies of Resistance to the World, the Flesh and the Devil using Tongues and the differences between the Spirituals and the Heavenlies some other time - First, I am going to start teaching you how to understand, practice and develop Interior Vigilance in your Prayer Life, your very act of Breathing and the way you walk through the World:

“Someone asked Abba Agathon, ‘Which is better, bodily asceticism or interior vigilance?’ The old man replied, ‘Man is like a tree, bodily asceticism is the foliage, interior vigilance the fruit. According to that which is written, “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit shall be cut down and cast into the fire” (Matt. 3.10) it is clear that all our care should be directed towards the fruit, that is to say, guard of the spirit; but it needs the protection and the embellishment of the foliage, which is bodily asceticism.’” (p 21)

Mark

Judy

Maximus the Confessor (12th Century) asked this question:

Ad Thalassium 6 [from The Cosmic Mystery of Christ]

“Q. If, as St. John says, he who is born of God does not sin, because his seed dwells in God, and he cannot sin (1 Jn 3:9), and yet he who is born of water and Spirit is himself born of God (Jn 3:5-6), then how are we who are born of God through baptism still able to sin [or still caapble of sinning and still actually engaging in sin?]

How would you answer this?

I know the answer [it is NOT the answer Maximus suggested, He was wrong - because he did not really understand the depth of the Sufficiency of Grace and the real dynamics of potentiality and actuality], BUT how would you answer it?

The first step in applying your "Interior Vigilance" to answering this conundrum is this:

The Seed is not the Tree. The difference is a Lifetime of Growth. BUT: We will all hug that Tree and be engrafted in - infact we have all been nailed to it - if we have died with Christ and risen with Christ].

Mark

Judy

No flesh in Covenant? And the Incarnation? Embodied enfleshment? And when He became our substitutionary Bleeder, was it aCovenant wihtout embodiment, avery enfleshed embodiment?

The difference between flesh and being fleshly - the first is Trinitarian Intention expressed in the Incarnation, the second is the outcome of the Fall.

The Conscience is Virtuitive Cognition or the type of Knowledge, Wisdom, Understnading and Discernment that comes through the pursut of Virtue and the Virtuous.

Mark

Judy

If GOD abhors the flesh why did the second Member of the Trinity become human?

1 John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Embodied and Enfleshed participation is essential if we are to understand the Incarnation and LIVE the Crucicentric and Christocentric Incarnational Life.

What GOD abhors is 'fleshliness' as in 'the fallen appetites of the flesh' and in this context we are dealing with "sin tainted flesh" or "the fallen sinful nature".

I want you to distinguish between references to the flesh as "the fallen sinful nature" and the Embodied Enfleshment of the Incarnation in the TOTAL IDENTIFICATION of the LORD Jesus Christ with our Humanity.

The difference between Gnosticism and Calvinism is simple. Gnosticism was and has always been as eries of Excarnate Heresies - stridently dealt with by Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons, in the Fourth Century in his work: Against Heresies: Volumes 1-4.

Calvinism is a development of the Theological Work and Doctrinal Perspective of John Calvin, the 16th Century Reformer.

Mark

Judy

I want you to read the Book of Hebrews from this perspective:

"Moving from Shadow to Substance".

This is a Spiritual Discipline and I want you to ask the HOLY Spirit for Revelation, Insight, Encounter and Rhema in doing this exercise and expect to RECEIVE what you ask for.

Mark

The difference between the Disembodied [The Excarnate] and the Embodied [The Incarnate] in LIVING the Christian Life is sumed up in this:

Luke 24:39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have."

I will tell you a mystery about Third Heaven experiences - the deepest expression of a Third Heaven Experience is the Regenerated human Heart where all three members of the Trinity dwell.

John 14: 15-17

15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

And they think and persist in preaching that when you die, Heaven is a disembodied experience, Until you are reunited with your earthly body....the fools, they have already received their reward - will they never understand, "the Corruptible is swallowed up and consumed by the Incorruptible".

1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible body must put on incorruption, and this mortal body must put on immortality.

"Mark, the LORD Jesus ... immaculately conceived by the Holy Spirit ... He did not have a "fallen sinful nature". His flesh had no sin. To me, (through teachings) that means He had no issues dealing with sin - i.e., He was tempted but nothing tempted [or was capable of tempting] Him to sin."

GOOD. Yes.

"Also, when Jesus was conceived, did the Holy Spirit remain with Him? I.e., when He was publically baptized and the Holy Spirit descended...did the Holy Spirit literally descend, or was it a visual revelation to benefit the witnesses?"

He literaly descended in the Visible Creation and as an outworking of Trinitarian Soteriology and Prophetic Intentionality, as Jesus was [and is] the NEW Adam and the firstborn of the new and renewed Humanity, BUT if Jesus was simultaneously Divine and Human and if all three members of the Trinity coinhere in each other - then the HOLY Spirit had always been with and in Jesus in HIS perfect humanity and descended on Him in the Prophetic Enactment of the Trinitarian Intention for the Redemption of our Humanity - the Spirit Filled Life.

"the Corruptible is swallowed up and consumed by the Incorruptible".

If the Corruptible is Shadow and the Incorruptible is Substance then the nature of our progression in and through the LORD Jesus Christ becomes clear.

In Prophetics You must develop a Luminous 'weather' eye in your Heartwork if you desire to be in continuous conversation with the Trinity or you will only see through that glass - the Lens of your Heart - in an opaque way - the Eyes of your Heart must become filled with Light - it is only when the Holy Spirit really gets into our eyes that we truely start to see.

1 Corinthians 13:12a (KJV): For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face

When we strive to look through the Lens of our Hearts at Heavenly things we are gazing through opacity, through the veil - but when those quickening rays of Light pierce the veil and reveal it has already been torn asunder we start to enter into continuous revelation and that Heavenly perspective - we have to allow the Holy Spirit to become the Eye of our Hearts and learn how to see through His Eyes - and the Eye of our Hearts becomes a Luminous Eye discerning Heavenly things - this all comes back to purifying our Hearts - the more transparent and translucent your Heart becomes, the deeper you are taken into the Heart of the Trinity.

2 Corinthians 3: 18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

From the roots of the Earth to the tops of Mountains - from the Jordan Rift Valley to the Plains and Hills of Heaven, we are walking through and into an increasing Encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ - through that narrow place, that cleft in the rock, through His opened side into increasing Revelation and Glory - when we walk through the Valley we are walking through the lowest place, through the veil and the vale to the highest point - responding to the Call to Come up Here!

To understand the relationship between Incarnational Symbology in the Visible World and Prophetic Intentionality, you must understand that you are walking through it. The radiance of God's glory surrounds us - this is how to walk Incarnationally, through Heaven and Earth simultaneously.

What we see on the tops [manifestation] has been established in the roots [hiddenness].

The Trinity never change or shift but the reflection does...into increasing substance, glory, purity and presence.

Your Interior Vigilance and your Exterior Witness MUST come into Alignment.

Judy

The Heart of the World is the opened Heart of Jesus at Calvary - approaching his opened side takes you into the Heart of the World.

Rahab lied BUT without the Scarlet Cord she would have been killed....what do you think it cost Jesus for His Blood to atone for and expunge even one convenient lie, a lie like Rahab's?

Unfortunately, in dealing with certain expressions of the Psyche of American Evangelism, you are inevitably dealing with Programming, confused theology and distorted conjecture - YOU have been the subject of some relentless programming and NOW you are beginning to break out of the Programming.

You are absolutely RIGHT - this kind of Programming leads to people going completely bonkers as the Brits would say.

So, back to Interior Vigilance and Active Virture....I'll pray.

Love.

Mark

Judy

How would you practise this?

'In Essentials, unity. In non-essentials, Liberty. In all things, Charity [Love]' - Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD)

How would you define the Essentials of Faith? What would you consider the Non-Essentials? and How would you remain constant in Christian Love even in the face of bad and/or confused Doctrine or outright heresy?

How would you respond to people who treat non-essentials as if they were Essentials?

Ephesians 4:15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

Be Anointed.

Mark

Judy

Exodus 4:24-26

24 At a lodging place on the way, the LORD met Moses and was about to kill him. 25 But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son's foreskin and touched Moses feet with it. "Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me," she said. 26 So the LORD let him alone. (At that time she said "bridegroom of blood," referring to circumcision.)

How would you answer this question posed by Maximus the Confessor in Ad Thalassium 17?

Q. If God sent Moses off to Egypt, then why did the angel of God seek to kill him who had been sent by God? Indeed the angel would have killed him, had Moses’s anxious wife not circumcised their young son and thereby curbed the angel’s wrath (Ex 4:19-26). And if the circumcision of the little boy was necessary, why did God not kindly enjoin Moses to circumcise the boy before he ever sent him on his way? Why indeed, if Moses had mistakenly failed to circumcise his son, did the good angel not kindly warn him, as he was being sent off, to perform such a service on his son?

The real issue is NOT about the circumcison of his son ALTHOUGH Moses wrote this account in Exodus as part of the Penteteuch and clearly thought GOD was going to kill him......Being the Bridegroom of Blood is significant.

Here is a clue...as commanded he set off towards Egypt....BUT stopped on the way....GOD knows all human intentions.

Previously, God had commanded him to go to Egypt and confront Pharaoh and Moses was terrified that Pharaoh would kill him....then GOD demonstated his power and finally after Aaron [who was a liability as a natural born negotiator] became his spokesman, appeared to be convinced and agreed to go....at least part of the way.....

Remember , Moses was still a murderer and this sin had not beeen atoned for...and if he had any intentions of "taking off" in a different direction rather than Egypt - after pausing at this Lodging Place...this Encounter got his attention.

Who would you say is our Bridegroom of Blood?

Mark

Judy

Read this on Leanne Payne and the Incarnational Life:

http://markdownham.vox.com/library/post/leanne-payne-the-healing-prayer-model-by-dan-brennan.html

Mark

Yes. It was God who met Moses, and yes, Jesus is our Bridegroom of Blood, which make the Prophetic Action and Prophetic Declaration of Zipporah, extremely interesting.

Moses wrote this account....he assumed that God was going to kill him.

He had a habit of running away.

I am not impressed with the Commentarians - they are guessing.

I like your treatment of the Hebrew.

Good.

Judy

Actually, you may like this treatment of Beguine Spirituality:

http://markdownham.vox.com/library/posts/tags/beguine+spirituality/

Mark

Judy

I will pray. I am going through some really radical changes and alterations - this started happening before - this is going to sound wild, but I am being taken deeper into the Substance in Sunlight. I am standing on this immense shoreline that stretches for miles and again I have been here before and this time I am going to walk out the changes. I have decided to wrap up the Blog for the moment - the LORD Jesus Christ is taking me away and even I cannot see the final destination. Some of my final entries in this Blog capture what is happening. Now, I am going to Bless YOU and it will come like Thunder rolling across the plains and you will see further than before. Walking the crest of His infinitude!

The Substance in Sunlight!

Mark